1 00:00:00,934 --> 00:00:04,637 I am Kate Calvin, NASA's chief scientist and senior climate adviser, 2 00:00:04,637 --> 00:00:08,575 and I'm sitting down with Bill Anders, who took the famous Earthrise photo. 3 00:00:08,575 --> 00:00:09,809 [music swells] 4 00:00:09,809 --> 00:00:12,145 [Audio from the Apollo 8 mission]: Oh, God, look at that picture over there. 5 00:00:12,145 --> 00:00:13,446 That's the Earth comin’ up. 6 00:00:13,446 --> 00:00:14,898 Wow, is that pretty! 7 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:20,420 So most of us only get to see what's right in front of us. 8 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:22,856 The sidewalk, the building, the trees. 9 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:24,958 But when you were in space, you had this opportunity 10 00:00:24,958 --> 00:00:28,695 to see the planet as a whole, this beautiful blue planet. 11 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:30,063 What was that like? 12 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:33,633 Well, before we got to the Moon, I was able to look back at the Earth, 13 00:00:33,633 --> 00:00:37,804 and it was about the size of my fist at arm's length. 14 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:39,873 And you really couldn't see any details. 15 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:44,644 It was kind of, uh, you couldn't see the continents even, you know, and even the people from orbit, 16 00:00:44,644 --> 00:00:50,083 you don't see many manmade features, if any, from space. 17 00:00:50,083 --> 00:00:55,855 But I thought that it it was really kind of a — it was at Christmas time 18 00:00:55,855 --> 00:00:59,426 and it was like a fragile Christmas tree ornament. 19 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:03,663 And I thought to myself, you know, it's too bad we don't treat it 20 00:01:03,663 --> 00:01:06,132 more like a Christmas tree ornament. 21 00:01:07,434 --> 00:01:09,536 And then when I was lucky enough 22 00:01:09,536 --> 00:01:11,871 to take the iconic Earthrise picture, 23 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:15,942 which basically kicked off the Earth Day and that kind of thing — 24 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:21,314 it's really too bad you know, we're shooting missiles and rockets 25 00:01:21,314 --> 00:01:26,352 and whatnot at each other on this tiny little place we call home. 26 00:01:26,352 --> 00:01:31,157 It's the only home in the universe for us humans. 27 00:01:31,157 --> 00:01:35,161 And, you know, it's too bad we don't treat it a little better. 28 00:01:36,463 --> 00:01:38,765 We're approaching the 53rd Earth Day. 29 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:41,101 And as you said, Earthrise has had a tremendous impact 30 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:43,036 on people and the environmental movement. 31 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:47,240 What do you think the biggest impacts were both then and now of the Earthrise photo? 32 00:01:47,607 --> 00:01:50,343 Well, it people realize that the planet was 33 00:01:50,343 --> 00:01:53,279 a fragile, delicate. 34 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:57,650 Clearly, mankind has not been kind to the planet. 35 00:01:58,451 --> 00:02:00,887 But could you tell the story of taking Earthrise? 36 00:02:01,488 --> 00:02:03,790 We had ... 37 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:06,292 I think they gave me a little bit of photography training. 38 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:09,129 I had a camera I took home, a Hasselblad, 39 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:12,665 took a few pictures, but, you know, no — 40 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,869 didn't even have a light meter on our flight. 41 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:19,172 And so we were in lunar orbit 42 00:02:19,172 --> 00:02:21,007 upside down and going backwards. 43 00:02:21,007 --> 00:02:25,678 So for the first several revolutions, 44 00:02:26,613 --> 00:02:29,449 we didn't see the Earth 45 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:31,518 and didn't really think about that. 46 00:02:32,886 --> 00:02:35,421 And then we righted ourselves, 47 00:02:35,522 --> 00:02:38,658 you know, heads up and twisted the spacecraft 48 00:02:38,658 --> 00:02:43,429 so it was going forward and while Frank Borman was in the process 49 00:02:43,429 --> 00:02:48,468 of doing that, suddenly I saw the corner of my eye this color. 50 00:02:48,735 --> 00:02:50,136 It was shocking. 51 00:02:50,136 --> 00:02:52,472 [Audio from Apollo 8 mission] Anders: Oh, my God. Look at that picture over there! 52 00:02:52,472 --> 00:02:53,773 There’s the Earth coming up. 53 00:02:53,773 --> 00:02:55,742 Wow, is that pretty! 54 00:02:55,742 --> 00:02:58,411 [Sound effect of a camera click] Anders: You got a color film, Jim? 55 00:02:58,411 --> 00:03:00,013 Hand me a roll of color, quick, would you? 56 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:02,348 Jim Lovell: Oh, man, that’s great! Where is it? Anders: Hurry. Quick. 57 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:04,751 [Anders continues] So I managed to get Lovell to get me 58 00:03:04,751 --> 00:03:10,156 a color magazine, put the long lens on, and started snapping away. 59 00:03:10,156 --> 00:03:11,691 [Audio from Apollo 8 mission] Lovell:Got it? Anders: Yep. 60 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:13,560 Lovell: Take several, take several of ‘em! 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,260 Here, give it to me. 62 00:03:14,260 --> 00:03:16,629 Anders: Wait a minute, just let me get the right setting here now, just calm down. 63 00:03:16,629 --> 00:03:18,131 Calm down, Lovell! 64 00:03:18,131 --> 00:03:22,268 [Sound effect of camera click] Lovell: Well I got it right — aw, that’s a beautiful shot. 65 00:03:22,268 --> 00:03:23,770 Lovell: Now vary — vary the exposure a little bit. 66 00:03:23,770 --> 00:03:25,772 Anders: I did. I took two of ‘em here. 67 00:03:25,772 --> 00:03:26,706 Lovell: You sure you got it now? 68 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:29,375 Anders: Yeah, we’ll get — well, it’ll come up again I think. 69 00:03:29,375 --> 00:03:32,178 Without a light meter, I really didn't know what to set it, 70 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:38,585 so I just took the f-stop and just took a shot, 71 00:03:38,585 --> 00:03:41,187 moved it, took a shot, moved it and, and 72 00:03:42,522 --> 00:03:44,657 then really didn't think that much about it. 73 00:03:44,657 --> 00:03:48,661 I think had I not taken the Earthrise picture, you know, Bill, who? 74 00:03:48,661 --> 00:03:50,530 You know? [laugh] 75 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:52,165 I have it hanging on the wall of my office. 76 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:53,032 Anders: Is that right? 77 00:03:53,032 --> 00:03:55,068 Calvin: It's a reminder every day of why we do this: 78 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:57,670 for science, for inspiration, for innovation. 79 00:03:57,937 --> 00:03:59,239 Anders: Yeah Clavin: for home. 80 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:00,740 Anders: Yeah. 81 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:02,842 Anders: It makes people think, you know, 82 00:04:02,842 --> 00:04:05,612 this fragile little ball we live on. 83 00:04:05,878 --> 00:04:07,580 Calvin: Yeah. Beautiful fragile ball. 84 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:10,817 Anders: Hadn’t made him think enough, but they do think. 85 00:04:13,052 --> 00:04:15,755 Earth is one of our most important missions at NASA 86 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:18,691 and we're continuing to use that vantage point of space 87 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:19,926 the image that you saw. 88 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:22,829 We continue to look at Earth and see how it's changing. 89 00:04:23,162 --> 00:04:27,000 What words of wisdom would you give future scientists, astronauts 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,701 or the next generation? 91 00:04:29,068 --> 00:04:31,671 Certainly viewing of space 92 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:36,476 from — of Earth, from space like Landsat, which I fought for, 93 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:40,980 and from the space station, looking down the Earth. 94 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:43,616 Calvin: I think Landsat is how most people see Earth. 95 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:46,419 We get to see a lot of 50 years worth of Landsat imagery. 96 00:04:46,686 --> 00:04:51,057 And Landsat has been a, to my knowledge, been quite a helpful program. 97 00:04:51,190 --> 00:04:54,360 Yeah, it's been tremendous both in showing the planet and how it changes 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,664 but also providing information to landowners everywhere. Anders: Right. 99 00:04:57,664 --> 00:04:58,798 So you're known for one of the 100 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:02,302 most poetic quotes about going to the moon and discovering Earth. 101 00:05:02,568 --> 00:05:04,003 Can you tell us about that? 102 00:05:04,003 --> 00:05:07,140 It's hard for me to imagine I actually said it because it's so poetic. 103 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:08,274 [Calvin laughs] 104 00:05:08,274 --> 00:05:12,578 But when asked people, you know, you know, “What impressed you?” 105 00:05:13,713 --> 00:05:14,647 I said, well, you know, 106 00:05:14,647 --> 00:05:20,019 “We we went to the Moon to explore the Moon, and what we discovered was the Earth.” 107 00:05:20,019 --> 00:05:23,122 So one, I was lucky to take Earthrise, 108 00:05:23,623 --> 00:05:27,393 with color film, with a long lens and make that statement. 109 00:05:28,561 --> 00:05:30,596 And that's about my real 110 00:05:30,596 --> 00:05:32,665 environmental claim to fame. 111 00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:34,467 It's a pretty big claim to fame. Anders: Yeah. [laugh] 112 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,570 I do think often we have to leave home to appreciate it. Anders: Yeah. 113 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:41,341 And you had that opportunity and I think generations are grateful 114 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,608 for what you've done. Anders: Yeah, well ... 115 00:05:42,608 --> 00:05:45,011 But seeing the earth from space ... 116 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:50,783 and I really wish I could take a flight in the space station 117 00:05:51,617 --> 00:05:56,682 because we were just in Earth orbit, one and a half revolutions, so 118 00:05:56,682 --> 00:05:58,958 but it is beautiful from space. 119 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:02,862 [Text on screen: In, 2018, two craters were named in honor of the Apollo 8 mission]